I really dont see why people hate on the armor rep bonus. Its really really good.

I think these changes make Gallente have a pretty bad line-up. The Dominix is now clearly inferior to the proposed Armageddon. I never had issues with range or tracking of drones and it will lack drone control range to make much use of the range bonus to sentry drones. The Mega I guess will fill the hole left by the hype as a shield gank ship but I still think there is room for a buffer fit armour ship which the new look mega will not perform as well in. The hype is now pretty much good for nothing in my eyes. It will almost certainly underperform dual ASB Rohks and Mealstroms and offer pretty much no utility in its mids now to compensate. If you are going to persist with making it an active armour ship then at the minimum it needs more PG.

Easy : talos could escape cause way faster, mega can't if backup show up. Mega will be caught in many situation cause more sig and big ass, and die, talos will escape most often. Talos can tackle mega on a gate before mega warpout, mega can't tackle talos before he warpout.
If talos die, he going to lose only 40-50% of isk compare to a mega.
You should play to eve a bit more

Remove a hight slot on the mega for a low slot, like you did on the typhoon, problem solved. Why perfect slot layout for typhoon and not for mega? Give to mega's pilot a REAL choice between armor or shield tank. Actually, 6low slot on a BS is simply not enought to fit a decent armor tanked BS.

Its more than that due to heat. And even if its not, 25% is pretty big considering what you have left are slow and destructible.

I hate to break it to you but a 50% rate of fire bonus does not mean you are shooting twice as fast, you will be shooting 1.5x as fast.

So you saying that a rate of fire bonus is superior to a damage bonus is incorrect because rate of fire bonus will suck more cap.

What about our promised Res bonus thread? >=[


Also people are a lot happier about the other bs's so its normal for him to comment more here.

The only uniform complaint in that thread seems to be about sig nerfs to the pest & phoon.
Few have realized how insane the phoon now is (despite promised missile changes), and how strong the Tempest is.

Yeah, its kind of like turning the Armageddon into a Gallente ship...... Oh wait.

Posting this again because drones:

Remove 10% damage/HP per level
Add +1 drone/+25mbit per level.

Make the domi a real drone boat.

I was under the impression that drones are treated as a single entity when focused on a single target now, so this really shouldn't be an issue, especially since you can turn drone models off.

These 10% damage bonuses sound to me like you think you can't make it good with a normal 5%.

I'm not really seeing the 'attack' thing here. They align like half a second faster than current BS and go 50m/s faster with mwd. Do I really want to lose a tonne of hp for that?

The Hyperion looks nice, but in my opinion that 5th medslot, 7th lowslot and suddenly spare utility slot way outweighs the damage loss and the Hyperion does NOT need 5 heavy drones. 75-100mbit should be more than plenty.

I really liked your first iteration much better and I honestly doesn't see why having only 4 medslots on an armor tanker is so horrible? Yes, I get it, the ship need 2 cap boosters, a MWD and targets preferrably webbed and scrambled - But isn't battleships supposed to have support ships? Anyway as long the Hyperion gets the 7th lowslot and doesn't get to outperform the other races I like the change. Just be carefull not taking the Gallente whines too seriously or you will end up with 2-3 obsolete races and Gallente won't be one of them...

The Megathron - 8 lowslots? You lost me right here... I already lost faith in you from seing the suggested attack battlecruiser changes but if this thing goes live you are not only breaking the Amarr ship trait of having the best armor tankers with the most lowslots but you are also breaking the game in favor of Gallente. The Megathron is already slaughtering people left and right in it's current form. Please make the Megathron back to 8/4/7 with 7 guns or 7/5/7 also with 7 guns.

You do realize that whenever you give a ship less turrets and tweak the damage bonus to compensate you have suddenly created enough slots to severely obsolete the battleships from other races, right? I am very concerned with the Gallente balance against the other 3 races. I liked your first itereation much, much better and this looks like panic control to avoid drama.

That Megathron is an abomination for game balance!!

Yeah they need to shuffle some things around. It makes more sense for the Hyperion to be fast and for the passive tanking ship (the mega) to have the larger buffer of the two.

Traduction: change the tracking bonus for a falloff bonus. A BS should not be designed to hit cruisers. It shouldn't...

BS > BC > Cruiser > Destroyer > Frigate

Everything on this counters the ship 2 to its left if flown well, and everything else to its left if flown by a monkey.

I, too, think 10 year old design paradigms altered heavily through 18 expansions are relevant to this discussion.

You're talking about irrelevant ideas. I'm talking about now.

Titans were originally made to kill most ships in a grid

Apparently they aren't able to do that anymore!

And again we come up against the hideous problems caused by the decision to make the Tornado and the ships which then joined it in its class into battlecruisers rather than the secondary EWar BS they should have been. The MegathronGÇÖs strengths are its mobility and damage projection GÇô except that it does not compare favourably with the Talos in those respects.
IGÇÖm not sure it should ever compare with the Talos in those respects

It's nice that Gallente do the whole "drone thing", and have some sort of niche role...

but what ultimately urks me is that there is absolutely no "fleet" option out of their line up. Hyperion would be an optimal choice imo, but that FRICKING repair bonus... what a waste. This bonus WILL go to waste, sans missioners, unless that's what CCP intends for it to be good at, and nothing else (except maybe solo camping? in a hype? i guess if you're rich/bored)

right down to their command ships...gallente really herp the derp in terms of a 'fleet' option. if that's their niche, just say so, so I can turn away for good and not look back.

so much disappoint

Don't oversell it. The Maelstrom is the "premier fleet ship" because it has ridiculously high alpha, and in an age of TiDi that is the premier fleet tactic and reason for the Mael's success. The Mael does it the best--it has nothing to do with its repair bonus, lost as it is or not.

And in a fleet the rep bonus of the hyperion means nothing.

u mean like Abaddon and Rokh?

Full flights of heavies not gonna do much in long range battle. However, in super close range battle, you are right. That 5 mids and 5 heavies maybe a bit over the top.

BUT HEY, AT LEAST WE GALLENTE GET TO HIT ABADDON AND ROKH FACE SOMETIMES!

There's absolutely nothing wrong with buffer armor tanks, only active armor tanking, and this is also true for all active tanks which are not oversized ASBs.

Yep, I agree. Oversized ASBs is about the correct level for active tanks, but they shouldn't be cap immune.

Strategies need to be viable and counterable.

They are counterable, you can't perma run them because of the charges. The problem is you can hold close to one hundred cap boosters if I'm not mistaken in BS's.

You can't affect the tank with neuts = neut immunity.

ExAstra, the reason why you see the Mega as plated ship is because active armor tanking isn't fixed yet.

And the reason I see active(hybrid) tanking the Mega as a possible option is because it's partly fixed.

1600mm+LAAR fit looks like it could almost work, after they finally buff the repper base rep amounts, reduce the cap drain and cycle time, a T2 LAAR will work. We're not talking about dramatic changes, 5-10% and it's go.

ASBs are pretty much spot on. If you use a single one, it's really just a slowly working LSE with higher max HP and similiar interaction with the minmatar SB-Bonus as the passive resist bonus granted to other races' ships. Now with resistances being mildly tunes downwards, SB-bonused ships might finally create more EHP than a comparable resist-bonused set-up.
Anyways, wether using two ASBs to create an active tank, or cap booster + SB to create a tank having less peak, more sustain are equally valid choices. ASB ships - unless you don't kill the container they are getting charges from - are running out of time incredibly quickly. I personally don't see much wrong with the current state of ASBs.

Hybrid tanking the mega though is incredibly appealing, mounting a plate and a repper that you can stick between two eanms or so, making up for very long OH-durations. For 80 more mil, you even get a c-type that you can use overheated with an exile boost for ages, in supersmallscale/solo-scenarios imo the smarter choice over a second plate.

as a dedicated dominix pilot for last several years i have to say these changes are crap ... i am going to quit for good if you ruin my ship with this crap... the double damage bonus is great and the main reason i fly it and the only reason i trained up my drone skills, large railgun spec and gallente battleship to 5.

and none of these changes will help gallente battleships its making them all worse.

I sure do hope your offering a refund for gallente trained skills in conjunction with these changes or you can kiss my accounts goodbye.

if it isnt broke dont fix it ... if it is broke then fix it right.

The dominix isnt broken its just fine but this change will ruin it.

the mega and hype are subpar and useless in fleets and that will not change with these changes it will only magnify it .... so again what are you guys doing or thinking over there?

A 108 page threadnaught, and CCP Rise has not returned.

Can we have at least an acknowledgement from someone on Dev team that they are still thinking about Gallente BS? Or is it a done deal?

I really hope not. The new Sentrinix is awful

The Dominix will be a solid mission boat, except of course against Explosive, as always.
The Navy Domi will be an AWESOME mission boat, assuming it gets the same bonuses as the standard flavour version.
The Navy Domi MIGHT be an solid Incursion boat.

But the PvP Domi will be a piece of junk compared to the Geddon, or the Mega, or maybe even the Hyperion.
Why would anyone fly a Domi as anything but a Sentry alpha doctrine boat. And the Navy Vexor will fill that role, albeit at a much shorter range. But I would take a much more agile, and likely cheaper Navy Vexor over the Domi in that role.

Plus, given that Sentry drones have a 4 second lag before firing, now we are looking at something like 9-12 seconds of time from the start of a Domi locking to damage being applied to a cruiser hull. That would be rather useless in anything other that large stationary fleets engaged in massive fights.

How can they say that the gallentas primary weapon system are the drones if they do stuff like that to the mega

Let me quote the main wepsite.

Because gallente whined long and loud enough for their ship speed to reach minmatar average level. Yet, minmatar always have the fastest and agilest (not sure about this word...) hull of each line.

But yeah, gallente cries did a good job in this thread to make their BS "really effective".

Gallente, because they have to get CLOSER than minmatar have to to apply damage, as for caldari, would you rather use a vagabond or Cerberus as a tackler in a fleet?.

Uh, no, the Dominix does not get launchers like the Armageddon does.

This ^^ merits repeating.

Actually you will be using more cap because you're using more rounds which will do less damage than they did with a direct damage bonus

I think the mega should have higher scan res than the Hyperion it should be an attack battleship trait as they are designed more towards killing smaller ships with there tracking bonuses.

Let me put this in perspective, imagine if projectiles started taking cap (even as tiny as 1/3 of the draw of the appropriate hybrid weapon, which could be justified by them needing cap to track) would there not be a major uproar?

What you fail to see is that the Mega already had cap issues. Now with the MINOR damage bonus (some even say nerf after the loss of drones) the Mega will become almost unusable due to cap issues. Bottomline is if they are going to take away the damage bonus for a RoF bonus then they need to also increase the CAP to keep up.

My biggest complaints are with the updates

1) The Hyperion Armor Rep bonus; no one wants it but CCP says suck it up its broke and we are committed to force it on people even though we know active armor tanking sucks currently even after it was "balanced"

2) The Mega RoF bonus making it less cap stable than before and the loss of drones which really made it cool

3) I hate that there is now no 8 gun BS, the only 8 gun ship the Gallente have is the Talos

4) The Domi removing of the Hybrid bonus is HORRIBLE! If they would actually give a new bonus that was useful then it would be OK. Maybe increasing the Drone damage bonus to 12.5% and then add the tracking, optimal, velocity bonus. (A true drone boat)

5) Change the ugly domi model

RoF can never replace damg... epseicly when it costs More on ammo and cap to do so overall the mega is less than it was and CCP have said the Navy is going the same way.

i keep saying it but we relly do need a CCP staffer to reply in here if not even reading the DO NOT LIKE to the Mega and Domi.

- Seeker

Sod it.I give up.

fit em however but the new mega and domi are going to suck badly in their own problematic ways. i guess im gona take the easy way out and not fly them.

Have fun Fly safe

- Seeker

Don't sound silly and put me a viable railgun fit with that 30+ CPU buff. Even had problems to fit blasters and changing the mids-lows for fitting something that have opportunities, and the blasters are not so CPU dependant. And then they realize if has CPU issues and decide to add a 4% boost in a ship that had issues with blasters and you want the people fit with a weapon that use 11% more CPU (comparing Neutron Blaster Cannon with 425's)
And about that blasters aren't bad, why do you think that the Talos is the less used ABC? I will say it in other words: from the Gallente is the best that this philosophy that CCP has implanted can create, but even in that state is the worst thing of all. And if you say "blaster skills of the capsuleers" I can say that the people are switching skill for these changes, mainly to Amarr, and more reasonable seeing the capacitor / PG changes to lasers.
With that CPU I have been able to put a full fitting in the 8 lows of the Mega, this is all. And was a blaster fitting -¼-¼

It would be the best for it since the Dominix doesn't really care much about capacitor and the Hyperion is, you know, active armor tanked.

I think this is just gonna be one of those things where we'll never understand why it is the way it is.

WRONG

You'd be flying the Armageddon instead if you wanted to do that.